June Update: postmarketOS CE PinePhone, Shipping & PINE64 Cluster

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Hello everyone! It has been a really busy time for us here at PINE64 as we’re working hard to deliver outstanding PinePhone UBports Community Edition and Pinebook Pro shipments. The big news of this month is that we’re excited to announce that a postmarketOS Community Edition PinePhone will be available for pre-order early next month. 

There are a lot of topics to cover this month, so let’s get to it.

This month’s TL;DR

  • All PINE64 services on our own hardware; the cluster move report
  • Shipping delays and Pinebook Pro QA issues addressed
  • Shipping status update & where to find up-to-date information
  • An apology for PineTab pre-orders delay & no heads-up on blog
  • PineTab pre-orders sold out in under 72 hours
  • PineTab to ship late July 2020; more batches coming 
  • PineTab add-on board reengineered for LoRa and RTL-SDR modules; available for next pre-order batch
  • PinePhone postmarketOS Community Edition announcement; pre-orders start early July
  • Check out postmarketOS announcement blog post!
  • PinePhone CRUST advanced power management status
  • A community initiative; a PinePhone pogo pin breakout board
  • PineTime; Lup Yuen Lee will write a series of PineTime articles for our blog!  
  • Solve the riddle! 

Housekeeping 

We’re proud to announce that starting this month all our community services, including this very website you’re currently visiting, are all running on our PINE64 cluster of 24x ROCKPro64 single board computers. The process of migrating services to the cluster began on June 5 and finished on the 10th without any major dowtimes or hiccups. As of right now the cluster hosts the main PINE64 website, the Wiki, forum, IRC server (and chat bridge) as well as all our Matrix channels. To our knowledge we’re the only organization in this neck of the woods to dogfood hardware in this way. I like when things speak for themselves, and so I hope and trust that this is a testimony to our faith in our own hardware.   

I know many of you are very keen to learn more about the cluster, so I already have asked Matthew (fire219) and Marek (gamiee) to write a technical blog post about it once the dust settles. I know that there are at least two other services that the guys want to host on the server, and once that’s done you can expect a progress report directly from the people involved in making it happen. What I can tell you is that the cluster is running mainline Debian and the nodes are network booted from a 1TB NVMe SSD. All databases are backed up and mirrored to another 1TB SSD. We’re currently using 8 of the 24 nodes at our disposal so there is plenty of room to grow in the future. We’re also aware that not everything is working 100% flawlessly just yet, but we’re going though the bugs list and hope that the minor issues will not detract from our systems’ overall usability.

Network boot node with 1TB storage via Gamiee

Shipping Status and Pinebook Pro QA

As many of you are already aware, we ran into shipping problems which resulted in delays. We are presently approximately 2 weeks behind our original schedule (NB. this only relates to some shipments, since a fourth of all PinePhones UBports CE and half of Pinebook Pro laptops already went out). It is important to note that the reasons for the shipping delays are different for the two devices, so I’ll take a minute to explain the situation. The Pinebook Pro shipments have been put on halt since additional and more stringent QA of the devices is now underway. This follows an abnormal amount of issues reported from the first two shipments. I feel like I owe you an explanation, so here it goes: the higher-than-normal number of Pinebook Pro issues reported is, by and large, a case of the factory not doing their job properly. A cascading number of events underpin this situation, and I won’t get into all the details, but the starting point of these issues is the COVID19 pandemic, which effectively prevented us overseeing the work done at the factory.

We have now taken steps to make sure this doesn’t happen again. Factory workers have been better instructed on how to perform some of the error-prone tasks, the factory has agreed to improve their QA protocols and we’ve set up an independent review of the laptops as they leave the factory. Regardless, I am now happy to let you all know that the remaining Pinebook Pro laptops will clear our warehouse this week and that shipping resumes today. This means that the grand majority of those still waiting for their Pinebook Pro will have their units by late-next week. I’d like to apologize once more to everyone who received a faulty unit – we’re working as fast as we can to resolve reported problems. 

As for PinePhone shipments, the cause of the delay is Asendia’s inability to fulfill shipment at this time. Unlike DHL – which has a fleet of aircraft and local couriers at its disposal throughout the world – Asendia relies on third-party logistics and national postal services to fulfill orders. Seeing as many borders are still closed and, at times, carriers or postal services Asendia  cooperates with have not returned to normal operation, it is simply impossible to accept our shipment. Earlier this month we gave everyone the option to change their shipping from Asendia to DHL, and we have now reached the required number of orders to commence a DHL ‘upgrade’ shipment in a matter of days. Those who have not yet changed their Asendia shipment orders to DHL still have the option to do so. 

If you want to receive your PinePhone UBports CE this month then I strongly recommend you switch your Asendia shipping to DHL. However, if you’re not in a rush then you are welcome to stick to Asendia – borders around the world are slowly opening up and logistics chains are slowly returning to normal. Just today the service resumed operation to two more countries – Brazil and Australia. In result, I suspect that the more Asendia shipments will commence in a matter of 3-4 weeks, as more shipping destinations become available. If you wish to stay up-to-date on PinePhone and Pinebook Pro shipping, you can find a shipping update thread on the forum, where I post new information as it becomes available to me. 

PineTab

Pre-orders for the PineTab pilot batch went live on June 10th – 12 days later than we initially planned. We apologize for this delay. The delay in launching pre-orders was caused by two factors: the PinePhone and Pinebook Pro shipping situation, as well as migration of our services to the PINE64 cluster. We initially planned for the pre-orders to go live well before the migration of services, but with aforementioned shipping problems the date slipped and we deemed a pre-order launch right in the middle of moving services to our cluster too risky. I’d also like to personally apologize to all those who waited for a heads-up post on the forums and the blog; I know this is something I promised, but forgot about it due to high workload. If you missed out on placing a pre-order rest assured – this is just the beginning. Once we receive feedback from early adopters, we’ll produce a much larger PineTab batch and everyone who wants a PineTab will surely be able to get one.

Production PineTab and keyboard (not renders)

Speaking of sales, the pilot batch sold out in under 72 hours, which means that multiple hundred units were sold daily. I’m not going to lie, I am surprised by the sheer volume of traffic and general level of interest in the PineTab, and I am curious if the fast sale rate is a result of the extensive media exposure that the PineTab received or a genuine need for this type of device (or a combination of both). Feel free to share your thoughts about this – I am really interested to hear what you make of it. Regardless, it was a real pleasure to see so much positivity and excitement around the PineTab online at the time the pre-orders dropped. The numbers speak for themselves, the PineTab video Marius recorded last month has now received 26k. 

If you missed the video last month – here’s the PineTab Running Ubuntu Touch

Seeing as PineTab pre-orders sold as well as they did, we’re now looking into ways to extend this production run or start another one in the immediate future. We cannot promise that this will happen for certain, but if our production request will be accepted by the factory then I will make sure to let you all know on Twitter, Mastodon, the forum, the chats and also on this blog. I promise I’ll remember about making a blog entry this time.

The shipping date for the PineTab is late July, which means that we’re internally aiming to start sending out units in the latter half of July. As the shipping date draws nearer we keep on improving and polishing the device so it will be the best it can be when it lands in early-adopters hands. I have already written at length about some improvements already made to the device in April’s community update, so I won’t be repeating myself here, but just because we addressed all known issues doesn’t mean we stopped researching our options to improve the PineTab yet further while preserving the $99 price-tag. In example, we just managed to secure a higher quality battery for the PineTab; something that will be a major benefit 2 or 3 years after your Pinetab purchase.

Lastly, I see a lot of questions concerning the PineTab  add-on adapter announced last month. In its original inception, the adapter only allowed for LTE and SSD storage, while now it will also have to accommodate LoRa and RTL-SDR modules. Seeing as we already have our hands full with other equipment and the abnormally difficult shipping situation, the process of re-engineering the adapter will take a few weeks longer. In result, the adapter will first be available in the PINE Store when the second production-run of PineTabs becomes available for pre-order. I’ll make sure to keep you up-to-date on this topic in future updates. 

PinePhone

We’re happy to announce that the next Community Edition of the PinePhone will ship with postmarketOS. The pre-orders will start in early July and we currently aim to have the pre-order window open for at least a month and a half. I am sure that many of you are thrilled to see another Community Edition of the PinePhone available so soon and branded with one of PinePhone’s flagship OSes. Similarly to our friends at UBports, postmarketOS developers have been with us since the very start of the PinePhone project and their OS has been instrumental to our hardware production process. For those who don’t know, the factory test image used for handset QA at the factory runs postmarketOS with a custom UI. It will therefore, in a sense, be the second time we ship postmarketOS on the PinePhone – as some of you will recall, Braveheart Edition PinePhones shipped with the aforementioned factory test image. It is probably evident but I’ll write it anyways; unlike the factory test image that shipped with Braveheart phones, the postmarketOS Community Edition will feature a fully fledged postmarketOS mobile system.

Render of postmarketOS Community Edition PinePhone

I expect you will also be glad to learn that production of this Community Edition has already been scheduled at the factory, and we’re hoping for record turn-around time for this production-run. In general, I feel like we’re just getting into the manufacturing stride after the long downtime which began in January with the Chinese New Year and was followed by the now dwindling COVID-19 pandemic. This is obviously good news for you, the end-users, but it is also good news for postmarketOS developers who will benefit from the donation we’ll be making on your behalf to their project. I have already stated this many times in the past but I’ll write it again – the principal goal of the PinePhone as a project is to give Linux on mobile a chance to grow and prosper. Early on we recognized that donating to our partner-projects was a key component in helping Linux on mobile flourish. The team behind postmarketOS has just  recently set up a financial back-end to their project. The donation we’ll be making – for those who don’t know – will come in the sum of USD $10 for each unit sold during this PinePhone campaign. You can learn more about our partner-project donation scheme by clicking here.   

I am sure many are curious to find out more about the hardware and software that will accompany the postmarketOS edition of the PinePhone. More information will be available in the coming days, but in the meantime I strongly encourage you to head over to postmarketOS announcement on their blog, which offers a detailed look at the software set to ship with this edition of the phone. As for the hardware, we will be making an announcement closer to date; presently we are working on the assumption that the PCB to ship with this edition will still be version 1.2. We may, however, decide to make some further tweaks to this PCB design. We will, of course, document and inform you of any changes to PCB 1.2 there may be in the future. Lastly, as you have surely already spotted, the postmarketOS edition of the PinePhone will feature the project’s branding on the phone’s caseback. Subjectively, I must say I love the render of the caseback and think it will turn out looking fantastic.  

PinePhone running Ubuntu Touch with GPS and CRUST enabled

In other PinePhone news, we’re seeing a lot of progress across all software distributions. So much in fact, it would be impossible for me to cover it all. The one thing that the various PinePhone projects are working towards collectively, however, is implementing CRUST advanced power management in such a way that modem events, e.g. as phone calls and SMS messages, would wake the phone up from the deep sleep state. Just recently, Marius from UBports has managed to achieve just this in Ubuntu Touch. Perhaps most importantly, his implementation allows both Community Edition and Braveheart PinePhones to wake up from deep sleep. This is something others have speculated may prove very difficult on Braveheart phones due to GPIO assignment, so I figured it is important to underline – once again – that if you have a Braveheart phone, you shouldn’t feel like you’re missing out on upcoming software features. CRUST on the PinePhone, at least in its current state when coupled with an active LTE modem connection, allows for approximately 14 hours stand-by time. For most people, this will be just enough to get you through a work-day. This number will eventually be extended by another 10 hours as developers tweak the modem to enter a lower power mode. 

I know that developers from other projects are already looking into how they can implement this solution in their distributions, but for now you can try it out on Ubuntu Touch by switching over to the Developer channel under system settings. I have started a thread on the forum with instructions on how to enable some of the more experimental features on Ubuntu Touch. In the coming weeks you can see this feature, as well as many others, to be incorporated into what was meant to be the day-one OTA update. As is customary in software development, the day-one OTA has been delayed by a few weeks, due to bugs which need to be worked about before a new stable build is deployed. If you’re not one to tinker or keen on experimenting with work-in-progress features, then stay on the Stable Ubuntu Touch branch and wait for the update to drop.  

pogo pins breakout board for the PinePhone via SMR404 GitHub

Lastly, I’d like to showcase a community hardware initiative I found quite ingenious, namely a breakout board for the PinePhone’s pogo pins. The board makes it easy to access I2C pins and to interface with the protocol in a convenient manner. I hope and trust that someone will create a caseback for the PinePhone which could also house this breakout board. The STL for this project is available on SMR404’s GitHub, and I’d like to encourage others interested in hacking and tinkering with the PinePhone to actively contribute.  

PineTime 

It feels to me that the PineTime, as a project, has greatly matured in the past couple of months and is now entering a new stage. As I have mentioned on many occasions in the past already, I am not the best person to bring you coverage of the PineTime seeing as I do not fully understand the complexities of its software and development process. To this end, I’ve asked Lup Yuen Lee to post PineTime development updates on this blog on a need-be basis, and I am happy to report that he agreed to do so. I’d also like to point you to his Medium blog, which is a treasure trove of PineTime articles. I am more than certain that having Lup Yuen cover the PineTime from now on is for the better, and I cannot wait for his first post on PINE64’s blog.  

The Riddle

Before we start, consider the following just a bit of fun. Let me give you the border context first however; I have been tasked with teasing an upcoming device due to be announced next month. I have been thinking for some time how to make this a fun community exercise and came up with a rhyming riddle for you to solve. The first person to solve this riddle will be rewarded with the mystery device. Just to make it clear – even if you solve the riddle correctly, I will not acknowledge the answer until July 15th when the official announcement will be made. You get bonus points (which translate to beer if I meet you at a convention) if you correctly identify clues embedded in the poem. Lastly, I have not written a word of poetry since highschool, so please spare my fragile ego. And yes, I’m aware it breaks at least one convention of writing Quintets.

Pinecil

With the Pinecil we take a risk   

Spelling the latter with the letter c   

Breaking with current conventions

And having the device run hot 

As hot as it will ever be

 

This may be too perplexing 

So for the sake of simplicity 

What does 82 and 26 have in common

As defined by a man 

Born North-East of Caspian Sea?

109 thoughts on “June Update: postmarketOS CE PinePhone, Shipping & PINE64 Cluster

  1. Is the new device some sort of soldering iron or station?
    – Soldering irons look somewhat like pencils
    – There is mention of the device running hot
    – 82 is the atomic number for Lead, and 26 is the atomic number for Iron

    1. That seems like a great guess! Perhaps also:
      – c is not the convention for current, i is.
      – Dmitri Mendeleev, pioneer of the atomic numbers, was born north-east of the Caspian Sea

      1. Good catch! It definitely must be something with Iron and Lead, then. Of course there’s the obvious connections, being soldering “iron” and lead being a main component of solder (other than lead-free solder, of course).

        And with soldering irons heating up via current through a heating element, that connection certainly makes sense as well.

        1. Most solder in the EU should now be lead free, so not sure that a soldering iron is the best match for this riddle – would otherwise have had to specify numbers for tin, copper, silver, bismuth, indium, zinc and antimony

      2. Spelling “risk” with a “c”, I guess the CPU in question would be a RISC-V!

        No idea about the rest though.

          1. There is no doubt that RISC-V’s day will come. As sure as ARM challenged Intel, RISC-V will challenge ARM, but we are just now seeing silicon. I have been investing moderately in early development kits.

      3. Pencil, iron and lead, has a CPU, running hot… Hot as in a live current, or active signal? And having in common… Both are heavy, hard, metal, grey…

        Other guesses have been taken, so…

        Some kind of antenna? No. A wireless graphics tablet pen? Not likely? A thin power bank, PineCell? No.

        Please don’t be a vape stick.

        …whoever said a 3D printing pen may have had it.

        I’m thinking it may be a graphics pen to pair with the PineTab. Maybe?

    2. Yes, this seems highly likely, breaking with “current” conventions (c instead of I).
      Dmitri Mendeleev, like Arnold Wright mentioned, is also credited with the invention of the periodic table, which would support 82 and 26 representing iron and lead.
      Have fun with your new soldering iron (in a few months)!

    3. I’m going to guess a wireless charging pad: electric current, metal coils inside, runs hot, other guesses already taken.

  2. Where do you want everybody to leave their guesses?
    My guess is a 3d pen, but I’m just going off of the temperature clues.

  3. I subscribed to this blog specifically to know when the preorders for the PineTab would be going up, and now I’m finding out they went up 5 days ago with no notification and are already sold out…

  4. “With the Pinecil we take a risk
    Spelling the latter with the letter c ”

    Wouldn’t that make “risk” the latter and thus hint towards a device using RISC?

  5. “With the Pinecil we take a risk

    Spelling the latter with the letter c”

    “risk” spelled with a c would be RISC. Must be a RISC V device. The odd part is that the name Pinecil makes it seem like a play on pencil, so perhaps it’s some sort of 3D printing related device as suggested by the comments above. I do like the idea of it being solder related as well.

    Hmm, could it perhaps be a small automated soldering machine? Or a home PCB printer? I would imagine there needs to be a logical reason for it to contain said RISC processor.

  6. https://forums.ubports.com/post/33659
    trainailleur

    @rocket2nfinity said in PineTab Anyone?:

    @GizmoChicken Pine64 forum says LTE with GPS optional if using EG25 module that is in the Pinephone – using the expansion board they have made.

    I do hope they recommend the best place in the case to place the antennas.

    Interesting. If the EG25 can be installed, I hope Ubuntu Touch will support the telephony features on the tablet as well as the PinePhone. A tablet that can be used as a giant-screened cellphone is invaluable to people with severely impaired vision, but they are very hard to find.

    1. I think that the new device is going to be a bare-metal RISC-V board that’s powerful and overclocked

      The first part, refers to replacing the k in risk with a c. The current conventions with RISC boards is to make them low-power and cooled, which is the trend they are bucking. 82 and 26 refer to atomic numbers of lead and iron which were invented by a guy northeast of the Caspian Sea. They both have metal in common, which suggests a bare metal appliance.

    2. It can be installed and it will ‘just work’ because the software is nearly 100% compatible across the two devices. So, in other words, you’ll likely be able to use the tablet as a huge phone 😉

  7. As above, the guy is Mendelev, the numbers refer to lead and iron, but the first and second lines refer to ‘risc’, so I’m guessing it’s some sort of ARM-based device. This seems too much for a soldering iron so 3D pen (or printer) sounds more likely

  8. cil as in battery cell
    Indeed Dmitri Mendeleev, creator of the Periodic Table of the elements
    28 nickel-based?
    82 lead-based?
    current electric
    break current conventions — fast charge/discharge battery using high voltage requiring sophisticated current/voltage regulation by Pine ARM sbd.
    gets pretty hot

    Hence a battery pack that doubles as a smart fry pan

    1. I think it might be a stylus with export capabilities.
      -Risk with a c – RISC-V open(source) standard instruction set architecture or (ISA)
      -Pinecil – is a combination of pine 64 brand and pencil
      -82 and 26 in the periodic table is lead and iron, which were major exports in Azerbaijan
      -North-east of Casbian sea- is Azerbaijan, which is rich in many metallic natural resources.

  9. My guess: RISC-based Automated PCB Solderer.

    First 2 lines suggest a RISC CPU, so either straight RISC or more easily, an ARM-based system. But there’s no ARM hints. In fact, “breaking with current conventions” could even be literal; this is primarily an ARM-based shop, so maybe they’re breaking that convention. The rest of the first stanza suggests an electric heating element.

    Second stanza: others have already pointed out Lead/Iron connection, with Mendeleev.

    Conclusion. I don’t think it’s a 3D pen, because that uses plastic. It’s not a heater. A PCB etcher would take a little bit of extra hardware. So, I’m thinking either something that solders connections to an existing PCB, or a device that “draws” (in conductive material) where the traces on the PCB otherwise would be. Sort of like something that would be used with a prototype board, rather than a full PCB.

  10. Gosh the above guesses are good, I can’t be sure either way. My honest guess would be a 3D printing pen or just a 3d printer to go with the codename Pinecil, because of that first verse hinting at using Risc architecture. I don’t think a soldering iron would really need any processing abilities.

  11. How about this:
    A handheld soldering device, approximately pen/pencil sized, that automatically extrudes the solder when the target temperature is reached. The tiny computer inside of it to measure temperature and control extrusion would be RISC based for size and power draw reasons, on top of simplicity.

  12. I wanted to pre-order a Pinetab but the shipping to germany was 27 USD.
    This would sum up to +50 USD in additional costs for a ~120 USD tablet+keyboard since you also pay import fees for shipping costs. The pinetab already got 20 USD more expensive. This was just too much for me and I really don’t see how the shipping costs can be beyond 10 USD since I never payed more than that for any item from china. Even with insurance it should be lower than that, at least on the german side. I don’t know what the chinese companies want for insurance but I doubt it’s much for an item that doesn’t cost multiple hundred bucks.

    Can you please check wether you can reduce the shipping price to certain contries like germany next time?

    1. I also was horrified by the extreme high shipping costs. And I was disappointed that the PineTab add-on adapter was not available in the Store, so that I have to pay shipping costs twice. I hope that this adapter can be shipped cheaper.
      I never encountered such high shipping costs in my entire life from China.

  13. My guess is an eink reader. Maybe it could be based on RISCV. Pencil could be a reference to it containing a pen for drawing and taking notes. Honestly I hope I am right, I would love to see a device like this.

  14. I think it might be a stylus with export capabilities.
    -Risk with a c – RISC-V open(source) standard instruction set architecture or (ISA)
    -Pinecil – is a combination of pine 64 brand and pencil
    -82 and 26 in the periodic table is lead and iron, which were major exports in Azerbaijan
    -North-east of Casbian sea- is Azerbaijan, which is rich in many metallic natural resources.

  15. was expecting the Pinetab would have privacy switches similar to pinephone and looking forward to ordering one. Wonder if that is something that could be considered for future?

  16. I wish contests were held on another blog link, so we can focus on past promises, updates, and questions.
    1) Import Fees ?
    May 28, 2020, 7:15PM; I did not see any response to US import fees on the Pinephone, Pinetab, & Pinetime.
    2) Qi charging surface or station
    May blog; I want a Pinephone with Ubuntu Touch. I waited a month for this wireless charging feature promised this month.
    3) 5000 mAh battery case
    There was a great deal of discussion on batterys and charging options (USB-C or pogo pins). What is the current line of thought.
    4) Pinetab release date
    Any idea about the next release date for Ubuntu Touch Pinetabs

    1. I can still answer your question here regardless of if others have fun guessing the mystery device or not 🙂
      As for your questions:
      1) Don’t know since until now only dev-status devices shipped, so we don’t know what customs in the US will impose on production goods. Morover, Asendia doesn’t ship to US at this time. I’ll keep your question in mind and answer it when I’ve got some data to go on.
      2) Qi its coming – getting a design – once we know it works and doesn’t e.g. melt stuff or break something we’ll talk about it. Hopefully I’ll know more in time for next community update.
      3) same as 2)
      4) No – we didn’t expect them to go this quickly. But if we can’t extend production at this time (and it doesn’t seem like we’ll be able to), then it will most likely be 1 month + before we see more PineTabs

  17. I’d have to say (as Sebastian did) a “smart-pen” similar to the apple pencil for the PineTab/PinePhone. And that would be GREAT!

    1. I know right! I really want one too, I love using them on the Samsung Note devices. I looked it up and it would cost at least $25 more to put a active digitizer under the PinePhone display, (it’s what generates current when the magnetic field is changed via a wire coil or finger). I’m not too sure I’m right but I really hope I am! 😉

  18. And the diversion…
    Pine64’s own silicon => Pine cilicon shortened to the catchy Pinecil!
    A new brand and it runs hot…

  19. Pinecil is a Pine64 Stencil Printer. RISC V processor architecture. Perhaps it applies thermal paste. I don’t really know what ‘stencil printing’ is, but it fits. Who knows, maybe it’s even in the shape of a pencil. There, that should cover everything related to stencil printing 🙂

  20. I think the new device could be a powerful and hot RISC-V based, SBC-like board sold as a DIY kit with all the parts ready to be soldered at home.

  21. So my guess for the riddle would be a smart soldering iron, something similar to the TS80 but with RISC-V processor. Could be really neat.

  22. I’m a little late here, but the riddle wanted me to think 😉
    3D pencil sounds astonishing! Super-battery is also intriguing especially as some battery improvements was mentioned in PineTab section. But! We are in SBC shop, guys! 😀
    The most realistic of previous speakers is Summer Music with bare-metal RISC board. Metal and RISC were solved before. Binarian cleared broken convention. So, it left for me the only unanswered part why “Pinecil”. I’m not native to English and decoupling from pencil is difficult. As every good riddle has to have word play, I have consulted dictionary. Guess what! *-cel, -sel, -sil are diminutive post-fixes! So, it gives me Small Pine board with RISC-V (open hw) which probably gets rather hot under load. And/or a “hot” item in this store 😀
    Here I’m second to Summer Music but potential beer and HighTech community fun is mine!

  23. Again, please send one copy of the phone to Linus Torvalds.
    Sheduler or other elements could be improved to make it work more efficiently

  24. I’ve been waiting for the PineTab since the 2019 post. Of the products announced then, I thought the PineBook Pro would definitely happen first, followed by the PineTab, then the Cube with the PinePhone ending up dying out before release (more due to certification and regulatory hangups than technical ones). I was wrong about almost everything (and I’m very happy that I got the last one wrong!).

    For me, I have hopes that the Tab may fill a niche similar to the one “netbooks” were filling, a highly portable device capable of running the same tools I’m used to using. Maybe not as fast as a laptop, but I’d rather run the “real” versions of firefox, ssh, vlc, etc. than the eye-candy-gesture-neutered versions found on Android and iOS tablets. So basically, I’m not very interested in the device as a tablet, more as a lightweight laptop (I am one of those people who simply can’t use an on-screen keyboard effectively). I do want to use it as a tablet sometimes (e-reader, media player), but that is not my primary desire.

    For example, when I travel I have to take a work-issued laptop that is (rightfully so) locked down and not for any personal use. Now I carry a second small personal laptop, but I’m hoping that the PineTab with an SSD may be a suitable substitute. I’ll need to find a way to bring the screen closer to eye level (a folding stand of some type) and use a wireless USB keyboard/mouse at those times. The specs are a little on the light side, but I’m hopeful. I’m very pleased that you upgraded the included the 64GB eMMC module, that should be plenty of room for a fully-featured OS install!

    1. Replying to myself, but I forgot to mention that I think there is some very interesting possibilities when pairing the PineTab and PinePhone. The obvious starting point is to tether to the PinePhone for internet access. But considering that both units use the same CPU and can be running the same OS could lead to some creative uses. It may be possible (OK, it will be possible, but may be practical) to run some tasks on the PinePhone to make use of its processor and just interact with it using the PineTab keyboard / trackpad. Possibly remote display of the program using VNC? Or maybe use the PinePhone as a second display, or use something like Synergy to use the Tab’s keyboard/trackpad to control the PinePhone?

      What the heck, stack them both on a PineBook Pro and have a glorious cluster.

  25. Stagiryta robił sito i w to sito można złapać wszystkie dzielniki 13, 2, 41.
    Z tytułu to tablet (czyli ołówek świetlny) ale pewnie będzie to rysik.

  26. You ask so I answer: My desire for a device like the pinetab began long before I knew that Pine64 existed and I’ve eagerly awaited the release of the pinetab. I’m sorry that I missed the initial release but am waiting for the next batch to be announced.

  27. Suggestion – can we please consider a hinged docking station for the tablet, so it can be used as a laptop as well (for when your lap is the table); and whether a larger battery can be added to this, that would be great. An even better experience would be to copy the Asus PadFone, and have the PinePhone slip into a monitor, which can then slip onto a hinged keyboard. Would be a great way to test Ubuntu Touch Convergence. https://www.gsmarena.com/asus_padfone-pictures-3965.php I had the PadFone 2 and it worked really well.

    1. Never seen that device … very interesting construction. I don’t think we’ll go with a rigid keyboard, since we cant the keyboard to double-up as a carry case.

  28. To answer your question, Luke, about why I bought the device, and why it went so fast: it’s probably because you said there were very limited numbers of it, so I, and likely many others, wanted to put their name down as soon as possible. With that, I’ve always wanted a linux tablet (with USB) or netbook which will be more portable than a laptop. Something you can easily pull out anywhere and have lying around. And given the great price, great community, and great company, it was silly not to jump on it. I actually thought it was going to be sold out much faster.

    Apologies if this comes up twice

      1. That Roshambo case is pretty slick! I was looking into getting a rockpro64 anyway, though I was leaning toward making it a small server. I do enjoy old video games, so if that controller is decent, that’s not a bad price! Maybe I’ll get a rockpro64, a controller, and try some games out before I decide on a case.

  29. I am not sure if this is a good place for it, but here is my constructive criticism regarding the PinePhone shipping delays. I ordered the UBports CE edition PinePhone pretty early and selected standard shipping. I have up to now not received any emails from Pine64 about this order. I would have thought that most or all of the following events would have generated a notification:

    * Order received
    * PinePhones ready to begin shipping
    * Standard shipping PinePhones delayed
    * Option available to upgrade to DHL shipping due to delay

    If not for knowing to check the blog, I would have no idea what my order status was. I went back and double checked my credit card statement to make sure it really did get charged and I didn’t make up ordering the phone. Even after seeing the blog post about shipping status and following through to the forum post with the updates about delays and the DHL upgrade option, I had no idea how to weigh the importance of upgrading — the last paragraph in shipping status section above was exactly what I wanted to know and it would have been nice to receive that information more directly.

    Often in these blog posts, I see comments about not overloading customer service with questions — I think a little more direction communication with customers would go a long way towards reducing load on customer service.

    Any way, I went ahead and did the shipping upgrade, so I hope I get my phone soon. I give the feedback just in the hopes that it can help with working with customers in the future — I am not angry at Pine64 or anything like that.

    1. I think we’re in agreement Robert.

      I’m a big fan of the MVP style of devices that @Pine64 is putting out. A64 tablet is definitely the right choice as an entry device. It’s perfect as a home server head/website reading client. Perfect first tablet for a kid learning computers too, so an ideal tech gift for a parent to get their child. There’s so many uses for this specific hardware that are niche. A useful toy. It’s got a wide range of IO hardware, so it’s perfect for developers trying to get these different pieces working, especially in conjunction with the PinePhone which has USB C.
      All bases are covered, so when the PineTab Pro does come out, it will be already optimized & there will be decision making flexibility for the design. I’m quite excited by the prospect!
      Which is my point, I got the PineTab because it is the only viable option I found on the market, but it isn’t what I really wanted, it’s only what is on offer right now. What I want ideally, is a 8-10inch USB C tablet with Long Term Support (5+ years) and strong enough hardware I don’t notice lag in daily use (browsing/writing/Inkscape/YouTube) with a 1080p screen in the 200$ range.
      This is the tablet the whole world wants. This would be the PineTab Pro. Instead there are cheap tablets that are depreciated before they reach the consumer & $600+ hardware with Bloat and gimmicks on excessive hardware to upsell for a profit margin.
      The margins are too slim in the low/mid range tablet market for the desirable tablet to exist. By being community focused pine64 breaks from the mold in a way that would allow for a really outstanding device which would become the standard in that low/mid range and refresh the whole industry.
      For this to be achievable pine64 needs to see the opportunity now, really see it, and plan for it over the next year. They are a small company with a unique model. They need to plan to become a far more dynamic and nimble company capable of scaling their compacity, which takes planning, it takes reaching out to the right people for support, it takes developing connections with investors and change makers so they can seize the opportunity they are at the edge of with both the PinePhone and the PineTab (& even PineTime) over the next 2-5 years.

      They need to develop their Optionality (if someone at pine64 is reading this, please deep dive on that concept space, see Nassim Taleb on Optionality) for rapid scaling now, without gambling the organization (company plus community) on this opportunity.

      The tech industry is ripe for a design philosophy paradigm shift. From lock-in to modularity. From continual obselesence to trust and stability.

      End of Moores Law, x86 dying, risc-v open source cpus, social media addiction & self-reflection post Covid, long term economic and supply chain instability, there are notable forces which will drive changes in perspective and values in the tech market.

      A well timed Linux/Touch capable device that’s consumer friendly, (read, dual boots android/LineageOS) would be a really compelling entry point into the mainstream. Most Linux/Touch users right now are either FOSS affectionatos or Android Devs. There’s a catch 22, us as a collective can break it with a compelling entry portal to Linux/Touch for more savvy consumers.
      That portal isn’t a device, but a device>community that couples meaningful hardware with the support needed to do interesting things with software on the platform. So pine64 is uniquely suited to bootstrap a user base.
      Most people see a phone or tablet as an arcane magical glass mirror that acts as a portal to Social Media & digital reality. We’re never going to reach those users as those users.
      However, a hobby device that’s also a portal to normal Android and social media? A dual purpose device that is effective as what everyone is used too, but also promises a second portal, one that let’s anyone dive into the world of magic that makes everything work behind the screen? Consistant hardware that acts as a standard? Modifyable for a variety of niche technical use cases? User repairable? User upgrable? Community driven, where development is hands on, open source and fun? That’s a sales pitch which can reach a broad audience, parents, schools, hobbiests, and a more savvy consumer who will increasingly value LTS over obsolescent lock-in when innovation in perfromance/node size has dried up. Why buy a new phone to get a better camera (or new tech x) when you can just buy the camera piece and replace the part.

      Modular hardware presents a potential space for real innovation that mainstream hardware manufacturers won’t dare touch, as profit margins are tied to obsolescence and user lock-in. There’s so much potential growth here that actually relies on our principles over what is normative in the industry.

      Pine64 has the right concept, the right model, at about the right time, with about the right timeline, if they have the right plan and vision, they can achieve a truly deep disruption over the next decade. But, the community and the business both need to recognize the opportunity, and prepare for it, so taking it fully is an option when it presents itself.

      I’m quite excited, I think there on the right path, I’m in support of everything thus far! I am concerned that the necessary amount of preparation is going to be done in order to scale this organization.

      Tl;Dr
      At the very least start thinking about what we can do to maximize the interest people have in this project. What use case is compelling? Linux/Touch isn’t going to be a standard use case, but a Linux/Touch oriented device could Also be a standard use case device running Android, creating crossover interest as a hobby device and as a learning environment. A savvy consumer for Android tablets in the low price bracket would value the LTS associated with community orientation, and the economics could work for pine64 uniquely.

    1. Hmm, perhaps something odd happened with my order because I never got a confirmation mail. I did end up emailing sales@pine64.org about my order and got a reply within a day. I also had problems with the link for the shipment upgrade but it eventually worked for me.

  30. “Those who have not yet changed their Asendia shipment orders to DHL still have the option to do so. ” – DEAD LINK

    The text on my invoice reads “$15.00 via PinePhone Shipping” – so I have no idea what method you are using.

    All that I know is that I have been waiting for a month & the only update is what I found in this post.

    What is a reasonable estimate for how much longer I should expect to wait?

    1. That invoice description sounds like standard shipping. How long you have to wait (without upgrading to DHL) depends on where you live and when a shipping route from Hong Kong to that place via national postal services and third-party logistics companies. It sounds like it could be up to another month before standard shipping gets delivered.

    2. Not sure, I emailed them my order number since I didn’t get any shipping info, so I’m hoping it’s on the way, but yeah I just wanted be kept in the loop of everything going on with my order. They haven’t emailed me back so I hope everything is okay.

      1. I opened a support ticket and they told me they would be re-opening the shipping upgrade soon. No definite timeframe though.
        Fingers crossed 😉

  31. Hi, I really want a phone that runs Linux but only 2gigs of Ram? I don’t see it running very well at all. When can you get better hardest?

    1. Courtney – comparing linux mobile to android or ios is like comparing apples to oranges – the ram is more than sufficient for anyone who is using linux on the device – which is 100% of users. Also keep in mind that memory is one of the few things that directly impacts power consumption, and unlike a CPU, you can’t just reduce the capacity by say 50% in power saving mode – basically, if it’s in the device, then it is using up power.

      Unlike 3D NAND NVME – which is almost as fast as RAM. And you can put 64G, 128G and bigger into the Pinephone. You won’t struggle for memory with up to dozens and dozens of seriously fast swap.

      If you find the memory footprint of the Pinephone to be a limitation, then you’re “holding it wrong” with you apps and software, or you’re not aware of the m.2 expansion which will give you “unlimited” capacity

      1. m2 expansion for the PinePhone? I thought it was for the PineTab, but it could not be ordered yet, although the PineTab could be ordered.
        3D NAND NVME? I thought the adapter offers only SATA SSD, and it will certainly be quite slow comparing to RAM.

  32. All the obvious answers taken, maybe its a power-bank with solar or wireless charging and an e-ink display – that would be nice in fact i might have to build one now 🙂

    1. Maleńki ekran e-ink, który będzie pokazywal godzinę, jakieś informacje (coś co zmieści sie na klawiaturze lub w miejscu gdzie będzie widoczny cały czas nawet po zamknięciu ma sens. Cały zestaw lub drugi ekran e-ink nie bardzo.
      Za to panele słoneczne zawsze i wszędzie i w dowolnych ilościach ;D ale by to sensownie działało trzeba by optymalizować ostro konstrukcje a to znaczy mały procesor lub wręcz fpga

      A tiny e-ink screen, which will show an hour, some information (something that fits on the keyboard or in a place where it will be visible all the time even after closing makes sense. The whole set or second e-ink screen does not make much sense.

  33. Remote area surcharge for Australia: just a heads up to check the shipping company’s website as to whether you will have to pay an extra remote area surcharge on shipping upgrades, as even some towns as big as 15,000 can cop an extra fee of nearly $60 AU.
    It’s simply good to be aware of it.
    Great project everybody, all the best

  34. I’m going to guess a temperature-controlled soldering iron.

    It’s always recommended to people getting into electronics to spring for a temperature-controlled iron, as they’re less likely to fry expensive ICs, but they’re also far more expensive up front. Open source technology has always focused on first making the tools needed to craft the other things. A temperature-controlled iron is something that everybody in the field can use, but at, say, $200 for a popular model, it’s a significant barrier to entry, like a proprietary compiler used to be for software development.

    I can easily imagine Pine64 finding that they can make a better one cheaper, and not being scared off by the need for an embedded microcontroller.

  35. Great blog post as usual!

    The guesses about soldering iron (or would it be classified as micro-soldering pencil?) seem to be the most likely candidate for the mystery device. Plenty of great explanations about the clues, no need to repeat them 🙂

    The postmarketOS CE! It is exciting! Lets see if it will come with a revised board for the switches to enable dock support. If not – a micro-soldering pencil will be great additional item to throw in the basket 😀

  36. Really looking forward to when the card comes out so I can put a RTL-SDR dongle inside the pinetab. Any more information on those? Will they BE a dongle itself, or will it be more like an internal USB port you can plug one into?
    I have several other tablets, but the are impossible to work on. I have an ASUS branded android tablet that was always pretty good but it’s super outdated now. It’s also having problems where the flash is too worn or something so it crashes, and of course there’s no OS update so it’s stuck on Android 4 or something.

    Any new news on the ip cube camera?

  37. On the PineTab. You have found a really pressing niche for many people. There are no good mid/low tier tablets, especially ones that have support past the purchase date. There is a utter dearth of good hardware out there in the current market.

    From my personal perspective, I’m very excited by the potential growth of the PineTab project as a concept! I decided to preorder as an early adopter, despite not being a deep linux user.
    (Note: It may have been media exposure that brought me here, but that would have been the PinePhone, not the tab.)

    However the PineTab was my first purchase, here is why. I wanted a tab for two core reasons. Principle is that the last good android development tablet was the nexus 7 from 2013. Its been 7 years since there was a good tablet platform, all non-windows tablets are dead, (with perhaps an exception of Samsung) I’ve searched quite a bit to replace my aging nexus 7, there is nothing exciting, except the PineTab!!

    The second reason is that I want to learn hardware/software interface skills, and generally expand my development skills. The PineTab is the perfect hobby device. It has a touch screen, it has a keyboard, it has some configurable hardware, its portable, its cheap and it fills a workflow niche that is appropriate for the cost of the hardware and its horsepower as well.

    I’ve always wanted Linux/Touch to succeed, this the the first tablet formfactor device that has the potential legs to cause that revolution, and be a backbone for it. There is a realistic at scale consumer device buried in here, one that you folks should really consider investing in developing in the next year.
    To expand on the concept I have something negative to say, I think the current tablet hardware is too old-school. I really hope the final production hardware has USB-C, and a 1080p screen with maybe 3gigs and a rockchip. I see the current device as being a toy, & access to the world of community development. But a slightly higher spec device with future oriented hardware decisions could become a really fantastic platform for linux/touch to reach scale adoption. Here is why, there is an is an utter dearth of mid range and low end tablets worth looking into right now. I’ve spend a lot of time searching for something to replace what I have long term. Nothing is a viable option. Either the device is 600$ or it will be broken in 2 years.
    The closest I’ve found that I expect long term support for is the reMarkable, which is an E-ink tablet. Everything is make and forget, except windows 2in1s.
    The PineTab specs feel old, a refreshed design (Perhaps a PineTab Pro!) could really become a go-to for many many normal people. If it came with lineageOS with OTA support, or dualboot into that + Postmarket, imagine the scale of impact it could have!) This is a realistically feasible consumer oriented device that could scale into a 7 figure user base, all while also being the foremost development platform for Linux/Touch OSes. I really see the potential here. Best of Luck!

    TL;DR Love the concept, early adopter, but I am really hoping for more that what is currently on offer, as a 200$ spec’d PineTab would be the perfect device for me to replace my current tablet of choice. I suspect the same for the entirety of android tablet world. A PineTab Pro would be a successful consumer device.

    1. I think there will be a long wait for a PineTab Pro, but I also think that’s a good thing. The Pine people are following what may be the only path that will lead to the kind of system you describe (I want one, too!). They started with the A64 board 4 or 5 years ago and have built up an entire series of products around the same basic quad-core SOC. The original PineBook, PinePhone and PineTab are direct descendants of that system, and developers have been able to build on that foundation. Its not new, fast, or sexy but it is reasonably good, and very cheap… cheap enough that it is an attractive target for development, and old enough that a lot of kernel support, so more attention can be focused on getting features to work instead of getting the hardware to run.

      These products are enabling multiple groups to build their ideal of a mobile environment. Different projects with different ideas have a common platform to build on and an user community behind that to nitpick their creations. Its looking like the results will be several viable platforms to choose from. The less-than-cutting-edge performance and memory of the A64 SOC is actually a benefit here. Instead of being able to just throw power at a problem, the developers have to carefully consider the performance implications of every feature. An environment that works well on this SOC will absolutely fly on newer hardware, but if that hardware were common now, the tuning would never take place and the hard choices would be left unmade.

      While I’d dearly like to see a higher-spec PineTab, I don’t think the current version is going to be a toy. Just a tool that takes a little more thought in how its used. I fully expect it to be a very usable platform, just not one where I can leave several applications running at once and have a dozen tabs open in a browser. I’ll happily trade the time it takes to close and open a few programs as I go for having the ability to run the programs on a very mobile device. Will I be bulk processing LIDAR data on it? No (well, yes I will… because it should be able to and I’m curious… but I won’t expect it to be nearly as fast as the laptop I’m lugging around now). I’d dearly love twice the memory and a USB3 system that would allow large data sets, but realistically this isn’t absolutely necessary. I’ll “settle” for something that works well enough to get me through the day. As for screen resolution, well I’m over 50 now, at that age small high DPI displays spend most of their time just drawing bigger fonts… Now enough memory to have a huge scrollable virtual display? Sign me up. Without a good software foundation, we won’t ever have the option, and I think Pine is doing a wonderful service in helping make that happen.

      On the one hand, I’d like to think their actions have been the result of a long-term, carefully orchestrated plan. On the other hand, it is infinitely cooler if it has evolved from a group that set out to sell a cheap dev board several years ago and they’ve been trying to steer the bull ever since.

  38. Bardzo mnie dziwi, dlaczego nikt nie mówi o radiu internetowym. Takie urządzenie to karta muzyczna, kawałek ekranu i kilka pokręteł, przycisków i głośniki. Wiele osób do dziś słucha radia. Słucha radia internetowego. I słucha róznych stacji, utworów losowanych przez programy itd. Taki sprzęt mógłby byc podobny do routera. Różnica to większy ekran i głośniki. Wszystko inne jest podobne. No może po za pilotem ;-D

    Bardzo trudno dziś słuchać podkastów inaczej niż na tablecie, ale nie każdemu to pasuje. A każdy kto wie jak długo paruje się BT, włącza 2 urządzenia doceniłby wygode radia. Nie musi być zasilane z akumulatorów. Ale pełna obsługa mogła by zautomatyzować wiele z naszych zwykłych codziennych zajęć.

    —-

    I’m very surprised why nobody talks about Internet radio. Such a device is a music card, a piece of screen and several knobs, buttons and speakers. Many people still listen to the radio today. They listen to the Internet radio. And they listen to different stations, songs drawn by programs, etc. Such equipment could be similar to a router. The difference is the larger screen and speakers. Everything else is similar. Well, maybe after the remote control.

    It is very difficult to listen to podcasts differently than on a tablet today, but not everybody likes it. And anyone who knows how long BT pairs, turns on 2 devices would appreciate the comfort of the radio. It does not have to be powered by batteries. But full operation could automate many of our usual daily routines.

  39. Possible shipping solution: for the next community edition of pinephone, perhaps you could enable buyers to elect when purchasing to forgo the battery at shipping time if the shipping situation is difficult, and they can simply source a battery themselves locally. many people may prefer to do this even if it costs 10 to $15 more which is about the same cost as a shipping upgrade anyway. note that I am not suggesting this for the current batch as this would cause you a logistical nightmare. kindest regards, great project

  40. I’m with Hy, an internet radio/audio streaming solution with a quality DAC and capable of streaming as well as playing local and network stored files would be great. I see a couple of possible solutions in the forums, but it’s not super clear to be as to what can be implemented with hardware we can buy today. I’m under the impression that at least a couple of options have stopped production. It shouldn’t be hard for almost any of the PINE devices to handle most audio (high-end surround might be a struggle for less powerful boards, but the vast majority of good music and recordings outside of TV/movie sound is in stereo or even mono, so a good stereo device would be interesting. I’ll probably try to cobble one together anyway, but a more purpose-built or at least community-tested device would be grand.

  41. I do think that RISC-V is a good guess, and it would enable open source chip designs to be farmed out to whatever chipmaker can do it right. I don’t know much about the RISC-V designs yet, so I have no idea what they’d be best suited for… But exanding the “open-sourciness” is well within the scope here.

  42. I agree with the rest of the guesses of a soldering pen, but noone mentioned Anders Celsius.

    “What does 82 and 26 have in common As defined by a man Born North-East of Caspian Sea?

    82 degrees Fahrenheit is roughly 26 in Celsius. Celsius was born in Sweden, northeast of the Caspian.

  43. od dłuższego czasu mycroft.ai nie może wyprodukować mycroft II
    może warto pogadać z nimi i przenieść na normalne pine64 ich soft i do tego zrobić ładne pudełko z głośnikami i mikrofonami (musi być ich 2 lub 3).
    Jest trochę chętnych na ten sprzęt, który nie szpieguje, ale jak na razie wydajność jest słaba i nie ma języka polskiego. Może zmiana na mocniejszy procesor pozwoliła by w końcu to załatwić.

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  45. So I’m going in a slightly different direction…
    Lukasz has in interviews told us, that the PineBook was thought as a DIY platform first and laptop second. The community saw it the other way around…
    Now Pine64 want to try again, break with the convention and introduce another “DIY-first” product.
    If you mix a USB-pen, a pen battery and a silicon chip (Si changed to Ci) – you get a Pinecil 😉

    So an AA-battery sized (or 18650) and powered microcontroller board, you can program through the USB-port and make all sorts of small devices with. Hack and automate almost anything (you might have to solder).

    You could also make your own version of the IronKey with the PineCil

    It could still be a Risc-V powered board, using something like a F2132 from TI’s MSP430 family of ultra low power and ultra versatile microcontrollers (82*26=2132).
    It has flash memory – that’s very hot!

    This is a wish – and not every piece fits the puzzle.
    But I for one would very much like to play around with a device like this. Depending on configuration probably outperforming ESP-boards in battery life.
    PS.
    This is like conspiracy-theory:
    take given bits of information, then combining and bending them to your will and fabricate your own Fata Morgana

  46. An U2F / Nitrokey would also be nice – but I can’t make that fit the riddle…
    – and given the political situation a crypo device from China might not fly…

  47. The person who wrote this poem was currently soldering a RISC processor onto a board.
    risk with a c : RISC.
    lead + iron have atomic numbers
    82 and 26 from periodic table invented by Mendeleev born north-east of caspian sea which have soldering in common.
    Even this device will be hot as practically no affordable devices with RISC-V are on the market.

    1. why not fpga?
      if You would like You can using RISC-V or other processor.
      (many people can using FPGA for emulation old arcade/dos/amiga computers or change fpga to ingenering massive solver)

  48. Czy w akcji wspierania może brać udział Caritas?
    Chciałbym kupić laptop/tablet a ustalona kwota mogła by być przekazywana dla caritasu. ew. płace za 2 a jeden idzie do mnie drugi do Caritas-u na misje.
    —-
    I’d like to buy a laptop/tablet paying for 2 and one goes to Caritas for missiae in poor countries.

  49. My chcemy newsów, my chcemy newsów jeszcze!
    My chcemy newsów, my chcemy newsów wreszcie!

    Jak co dzień rano
    stronę kochaną
    otwieram z kawą
    czytam, że się dało

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